Patch 8.3 Auction House Bugs | Do You Still Need TSM, Auctioneer, or Auctionator?

Hey there guys this is Reckles with WTBGold
and the new Auction House is live! Wooo! It’s been out for a week and I hope you’re
enjoying it. For the casual player not having stacks anymore
has gone over super well, so props to blizz for making it as intuitive to use. For goldmakers, the transmog filter for “uncollected
appearance” was everything we hoped for. I’ve heard from several sellers that they’ve
had people go through their entire list of thousands of items and buy every piece under
a certain ppint. This is actually cool. This makes the junk gear you get in ZF or
Uldaman runs actually worth posting. That’s not to say everything’s been perfect. The new Auction house was super slow initially,
but that was probably just everyone logging in at once. Tradeskillmaster was initially super slow
at first as well but all addons are buggy messes on patch launch. I’m actually really impressed by all the addon
developers for how relatively smoothly this particular patch went. So good job to all you addon guys out there. One thing I’m actually surprised with is
we haven’t seen that initial spike in prices in prices that I was expecting due to LIFO. So I’m super happy to be wrong there, but
let’s send it over to Senza who did some day one testing. Here’s a clip from her stream. [SENZA CLIP] So this is either a day one bug
or Blizz listened to the thousands of angry forum comments asking for LIFOto be reverted
to FIFO. I decided to test this myself though just
to be sure. I posted storm silver ore on one account and
matched the price that was currently up. Then on a second account I purchased 10 of
them. If it was lifo, I would have gotten the sale
on my first account. and if it was FIFO, whoever had posted it
previously would have. My first account got the sale. So this test five days later is actually opposite
of Senza’s results. Tried it with an oversized bobber and got
the same results. So it looks like either Senza experienced
a day one bug, or Blizzard reverted LIFO and then reverted their reversion, and then my
head exploded Either way, as of the making of this video,
the new auction house is last in first out. But away from the high level stuff and on
to the individual specifics. Things that affected day-to-day players. When the patch launched if you had any commodities
posted, they were all canceled and sent to your mailbox for you to repost. A blank slate for all the stackable items. But the non-stackable stuff stayed up on the
auction house. In fact, blizzard made sure it stayed up on
the uction house, by introducing a 5% cancellation fee. This is just temporary and it’s gone now,
but blizzard only gave you a confirmation notice if the fee was over 1000 gold so some
of the people who had 20 million gold worth of low-to-mid tier transmog may have accidentally
spent a million gold just to do one cancel scan. The biggest issue has been the mailbox. According to the January 17th patch notes
Blizzard has fixed a bug that caused some mail from the Auction Hose to exclude expected
attached gold. This is…lol…let me put this another way. When you sell shit, you don’t get the gold
for it. Like, you can put something up on the auction
house and someone can buy it, but you don’t get paid. You just no longer have the item. The auction house has two mandatory things. Buyers give gold and get items and sellers
give items and get gold. And there’s a bug that means that doesn’t
happen. It’s like if Pizza Hut tweeted out “we’ve
noticed a procedural problem with our store procedures where, when you order a pizza,
we don’t make it. That’s fixed though. Apparently Katy Stampwhistle failed two horrific
visions in a row. She got depressed and needed a break. The important thing though is that they’re
making an effort to improve things. The team behind the AH is listening to our
feedback and implementing it. For the first time, we have goldmaking information
in the hotfixes forum post. The only other time that has happened despite
there being hundreds of nerfs, is the 20% auction house cut that was implemented which
went over super well and totally didn’t ruin a whole bunch of markets. And fun fact, before that, the next most recent
was a Q&A with paul kubit before legion came out talking about what blood of sargeras is
and how to get it. Every week nerfs have gone out to popular
farms but because blizz hasn’t ever communicated, we have to make up reasons for why they’d
do it. There’s no actual “fun police,” but
that’s the only answer we can come up with without communication, so I’m really excited
that blizzard is starting to communicate goldmaking stuff with us. I hope that continues going forward. Ok, and finally, to answer one of the questions
I’ve been getting a lot. With the new changes to the Auction House,
do I still need auctioning addons like Auctioneer, Auctionator, or Tradeskillmaster? In my posting, yes absolutely. Just because we don’t have stack sizes doesn’t
mean that just because I go to post an item, I need to know if it’s worth 100g or 10,000? The new auction house doesn’t give you that
information. Doesn’t give you historical pricing data. And when you’re posting 50, 500, 5000 items
a day you need an addon that speeds up the process. But rather than me talking about that, I decided
to email the addon developers themselves and find out what they think the differences are
and what the value of the addons is in the new environment and some of them were nice
enough to actually reply even though they’re very busy right now. The auctioneer developer is named Norgs, and
he said, “the current interface still has no way to automatically price your items or
to batch post things that you regularly want to post. I think there’s still a lot of room for
smart logic to be used in the interface but you’re right that the new interface is a
lot better in many ways and a lot of the things auctioneer used to do won’t be necessary
anymore. One of the biggest things that auctioneer
will do is to scan the entire auction house and maintain a localised and customizable
set of auction statistics for you including your personal sales. The new changes mean we will be able to do
this better than we ever have before. So yah, the new AH is good but it doesn’t
batch post, and it’s automated pricing isn’t representative of the true economic value
or even your historical posting price. Gumdrops, the community liason for Tradeskillmaster
said this, “TSM isn’t just posting auctions. It’s an entire suite to track and scale your
AH and crafting activities. Understanding the wider context of the market
on your server is important to understand when and why to post those auctions.” So Tradeskillmaster isn’t just a reskin
of the auction house or even just an auction house replacement. You program it to automate your specific goldmaking
decisions at each point of the goldmaking pipeline not just the auctionhouse. Just because the AH got a revamp doesn’t
mean that when you go to craft something, you’re going to want to look through 700 individual
items and say “is this enough profit to craft? Is this?” You’re still asking yourself, “Who am I mailing
materials to? How many should I keep? When is an item too cheap to undercut?” Those are the decision that TSM deals with. Those are operations, and you’re still making
those decisions. You’re just, not posting in stacks anymore. That’s it. And then borj, the project lead for auctionator
said, “I think auctionator continues to be relevant for all the same functionality that
is always has, that tyhe AH doesn’t. Price tracking, tooltip info outside of the
AH, undercutting, and shopping lists. The AH still fundamentally works the same,
it’s just faster and has favorites, which people have compared to shopping lists in
auctionator except without the ability to organize. He also adds, I imagine if you ask this question
in general, you’ll get a lot more info from users. And you know what, that’s a great idea borj,
we’re gonna throw this question over to y’all. Let me know down in the comments why you think
auction house addons are still useful in this new paradigm of the 8.3 revamped auction house. If a guildie came up to you and asked “should
I still use Auctionator, Auctioneer, or Tradeskillmaster” what would you tell them? That’s it. Thanks so much for watching. I hope y’all have a whole bunch of fun. Did I miss anything? Is there anything that you may have lost gold
or made gold on? How are you doing with that? Let me know. Also, I haven’t seen anyone talking about
favoriting which I think is a really cool new feature of the new auction house that
has just flown under the radar, but I think will be core to making new players have an
enjoyable experience. So, that’s it. Thank you so much for watching. Make sure to subscribe. Like the video. I’m streaming on twitch so go follow me over
there. Otherwise, have a great day, good luck, and
happy goldmaking.

100 comments on “Patch 8.3 Auction House Bugs | Do You Still Need TSM, Auctioneer, or Auctionator?

  1. Favorites haven't been sticking for me yet. = I'll add an item, then come back later and it's no longer a favorite. I will definitely like them/it more when they stick! Great vid tho.

    EDIT: Aaaaaand Favorites magically appeared again as soon as I posted this. They look great so far!!! EEEEE!!!

  2. I emptied one item completely, which I had posted on my other character myself. It LEFT the items I had posted from another character on the AH, so I dont think you can confirm FIFO/LIFO with your own characters

  3. I posted auctions for about 55k on launch day and the next day I got about 5k worth of stuff back, but 0 gold… I'm honestly kinda scared of using the new AH from now on 🙁

  4. Sooo, yea. I had favorited items. Then I switched to my other bank alt. Favorited items on her. Went back to the first bank alt… no favorited items. Went back the second bank alt… no favorited items. I've done it every day since 8.3 came out. The favorited items, goes away after you log out. So yes, especially auctionator with my shopping lists.

  5. Mass cancellation would be nice. Just to be able to highlight the auctions you want to cancel and hit a button. My current addons won't work with the new AH layout and it sucks. Being able to post items and having the auction house remember the amounts of when you previously listed the item would be an incredible help as well. I dunno, just seems like a mess to me. it's definitely more difficult to post hundreds of mog items a day/week when you have to go in and put the amounts in every single time. It's tedious and makes you not want to post anything but random mats and crafted items.

  6. The reason it didn't work for her was because you can't buy your own auctions, which is why it worked for WTBGold because he used another account. It has been this way for years now.

  7. The AH may still be janky as my knees, but my illegal cock fights on the western most asteroid in Netherstorm are rolling in the gold. The AH is for suckers. Always bet on cocks.

  8. It would be a pain to post 1000 Transmog items without TSM and I'd have no idea what to price them at! I have been using the new AH interface for smaller postings though just so I can see how it works !!

  9. So I never got into using TSM myself, mostly because reasons, but I know TSM does have other useful options like setting lists to send mats to specific characters, which is why I'm likely to start using it for my army of alts that I've levelled specifically to do different professions. (yay korrak's…. ish.)

  10. I have had a problem with TSM mailing where items are set up correctly in their groups, but some are not being sent to the respective character. The Text box shows it was sent but I still have the items in my bag. Individually sending the item does work, and the text box will show the same item being sent again.

  11. i "lost" several million gold now with the new ah. just today i sold several thousand of critfood, i see huge quantities sell and the timer going down and then poof it's gone.
    yes i know blizz already made a post about it, but still it's kinda disappointing that this is still going on.

    tsm is still as effective as before, maybe even better in some ways. certain reagents get listed as 1silver, by the average joe, when everything of it got sold and there is nothing to match it to. eg cragscale, cause supply is relatively low and demand is super high with crafting being released now.
    price history addons are still relevant.

  12. Gold still doesnt arrive to your mailbox when you sell stuff in bulk, the only gold I've received is for single sales of big items like mounts and transmogs….

  13. For me, having tons and tons of information isn't always a good thing. It just makes me tired most of the time and not want to deal with something. So I can't be arsed to set up different settings in TSM most of the time and make changes if needed as time goes by if I even remember to do that. I also don't want to spend a lot of time researching what other people are doing and import their groups, data or whatever and then change them to my liking, so I just avoid that. This is my problem with TSM(and also Auctioneer the one time I downloaded and tried to use it many, many years ago). That, and that they change the way the auction house and item/price listings look visually. I guess I'm overly sensitive to that, and I prefer to have things like they have always been.

    So when I finally get around to actually making auctioning groups in TSM, it's when I post a lot of a certain item or item group, when I know I will be in it for that market for a long time and when I know I won't have to make a lot of changes as time goes by. I don't use TSM to snipe, to shop or to check my acutions(I switch back to the normal UI if I want to look at my auctions, lol). I only use it for a few markets and sometimes to get an idea what transmog items are selling for so I know how much I should undercut for as I don't mind quick sales to other goblins aswell as to see if a green BoE I just picked up is worth it to try to sell or just vendor straight away.

    So the reasons above is why I still use Auctionator. It looks very simple. It looks like the normal auction house UI, but it is(was) better for me as a seller because of how the items were listed, how faster it was to buy stuff and how it was faster to search for stuff. Like even now with the new AH, if I search for an item to see the pricing, then post that item and then want to go back to search for another item I need to click the searchfield again. Any decent AH addon will just let you shift-click an item in your bags right away.
    I also use the shopping list feature in Auctionator a lot, so that is why I'm hoping the Auctionator author figure things out and make the addon work again.
    I just really wish the guy behind Auctionator would fix the extra tooltip on items when it comes to AH pricing as it has been broken since I'm not sure when; MoP or WoD? But I doubt it'll happen.

    I may have 10 million liquid gold and tons of characters and many guild banks full of items(gief more space!11), but I don't really see myself as a proper goblin still, because I don't dabble in 2 thousand different markets, buy a ton of mats to craft current consumables or max level gear, nor do I flip items other than the occasional low price item I find or have a feeling will rise in value later on – like 'proper' goblins do, according to me.
    I have less than 5 "staple" markets(like glyphs) and a bunch of niche markets that stay pretty much the same year in and year out, and that's how I like it and how I make my gold – and this is why the AH UI Blizzard provides still won't cut it for me and why I have to find a middle ground between addons such as Auctionator and TSM to find my sweet spot.

    Edit: Blizzard's "Favourites" option isn't good enough because I can't put the items in different groups or sections, which makes things messy if you want to favourite a lot of items like I do – so Auctionator's shopping list feature is still superior in my eyes.

  14. i have +1300 xmogs (Classic dungeons world drops, Burning crusade dungeons and world drops and WoD Dungeon stuff), the mailing is WAY MORE faster for me than before, the scanning its like 30-50%more slow, but holy shit, the posting takes like 4 minutes for post 120 items instead of be instantly (yea, before the update, you were able to wipe all your backs with macros after scanning).

    The new AH makes my transmogs sell faster but the posting its way more slower, i spend 8-9k gold every day just by posting, in 8.2.5 my avg gold income (by transmogs) was like 10 to 40k gold every day, now im getting like 50 – 70k gold every single day just by posting what i have, but danm, 1 hour and a half of posting hurts a lot for me now u-u

  15. idk why but my auction sales plummeted since the patch, keeping new items on the ah and mats but the mats alone take days to sell that with cancel scanning =( almost at 2 mil but might not make it with this ah

  16. Some items are still posting a second one at my current price even though the operation is set to post 1 max. It doesn't do it for everything though.

  17. she's trying to buy her own item. its not going to let her buy her own item. she needs to use another toon to buy.

  18. TIP! TSM scanning speed can be increased if you go to the lowest population auction houses (less people around you). Exodar will let you TSM scan 2-3 times faster. Good for if you have hundreds of xmogs. gl!

  19. I organize my tmog in TSM by xpac & instance- which tells me where I need to go to farm more of something once I've sold it. New AH doesn't allow such customization.

  20. Today is either day 4 or day 5 of not receiving gold from 60 fish and 50 leather that I sold. I have received gold on a couple other sales…but not these specifically. There might be other sales that I haven't received yet…but I have no idea since my AH addons weren't working. Edited: (Went back and tried to get Auctioneer, Auctionator and TSM to work again and the first 2 still aren't working and TSM bugs my game out…)

  21. i have really enjoyed my experience with the new AH. I havent hit it super hard yet because i have been neck deep in other content but it has been quite nice. I still love my TSM and Auctioneer for the at a glance telling me what something is worth in my bags and when i need to make a trip to the AH

  22. I honestly don't know where I would be without TSM tasklist or the ability to buy thousands of thread with just one click. (WTB ink trader functionality back). The price comparisons, and relative profit value are great. Also cancel scans. Don't know where I would be without cancel scans.

  23. I used to rule the Netherweave bag market.. But now with the AH… It is hard to mass buy all the undercut bags.. For this one think I am not too keen on the new AH.. but for other things It is great.. Still prefer the old AH but looks like that won't come back

  24. missing Auctioneer as its still hasnt had an update just yet and its my turn to for stuff i want more control postings and tsm is my bulk poster

  25. I believe you can't buy your own auctions. It won't let me by something with my horde that my alliance posted. You were able because you used a separate account

  26. Anyone else having issues with Favoriting? It'll work while I am logged in with my toon, but if I leave and come back, it is back to a blank canvas again.

  27. Yes, there needs to be a new AH addon for the things that don't work. Like my favorites list that i have to remake EVERY time i log in. There are MANY other things that i am missing from auctioneer and auctionator.

  28. First thing first… In their new version of the AH we still have to drag the item we're trying to sell into the AH window. That alone is a no thank you, even though I must admit it's getting smoother and way better than the old one, it's just not quite as practical as it should be for someone who is posting a ton of items per day. The fact that you have to change window once you've made a search for a specific item if you want to search for another one is quite "meh" imo. I've been using tsm since November, and I could not make gold without tsm now, it's interface alone is a big plus for me, once you get the general idea of how it works and what can be done it's impossible to go back to anything else, yet even less to " normal". Thanks to you and some other goblins anyway, gold community is the most friendly/untoxic i've seen, always smiling, always advising, veri naïss ! 😁

  29. All of my issues have been resolved with the latest hotfixes as well, but as I am very new goblin, I was wondering if you'd be willing to make an updated guide to TSM 101?

  30. Favorite ??? You mean the little star which you spent some time adding items to it then when you relog from its gone ?
    i gave it a shot couple of times but now i dont care about it.

  31. Sinza didn't experience a bug. The AH IGNORES YOUR OWN AUCTIONS! it does NOT let you buy your own auctions. That's why she was buying the other dudes auctions.

    It's LIFO

  32. Guildie: "Why are TSM nad the like still useful today?"
    Me: "If you have a statistics/computer/programmer style mind, you'll make exponentially more gold simply through process optimization and extra information"

  33. I love the new AH, and it looks like as of today, all the bugs got worked out with the mail—I received over 200k in auctions I didn't know I sold. XD Plus, after the sudden server maintenance today, TSM and the AH are working fast and clean! And this is on the overpopulated MoonGuard/WyrmrestAccord-US realms. 😀
    As for the addons, I actually used to use all three AH addons, Auctioneer, Auctionater, and TSM, because I used them for different things. As of now, I got rid of the former two and just kept TSM because everything I used the first two for, such as item sorting and buying, I can do with the new AH just fine. (Yes I know I can do that with TSM too, but I like the simpler interface for buying)

  34. When I was asked by guildies, I said "I'd hold off any major change ups until we hear from Reckles.". Thanks for your ongoing attention to detail re:fact finding! I appreciate your efforts to reach out to major devs & the community, test for yourself & create spreadsheets (who doesn't love spreadsheets?!-yes, I know) so math geeks like myself have hard data. Keep up the great work!!

  35. Well I have to admit I was freaking out this past week cus in 1 day of sales I had, no Blizz had, lost over 50k of my gold. I made 2 bug reports and 2 web tickets. All I got back was computer generated suggestions like go read the forums……well that was filled with ppls freaking out too! Some help. As of this late afternoon, I was still missing my gold. Not until I saw this vid did I race to the game and Lo and Behold! Hallelujah! My gold was there! That took 6 days to receive. It wasn't just my lost gold, I refused to post other items for fear of this continuing situation, so in reality I lost 6 days of profit. Now to get back to biz making gold! Thanks for the heads up on mailboxes working again!

  36. Will you pretty please make a vid to let us know when the ah gets fixed? I'm still waiting to post anything in order not to loose gold. And yup, auction house addons absolutely. I tried TSM but it outgrew me. Auctionator wins, mostly for the pricing tips.

  37. I think I need to get a 2nd account just for posting auctions. Is Auctionator still going to work ? I miss using the shopping lists vs the AH favourite lists. [Edit] You covered Autionator in the vid, great, i'll go test it some more.

  38. Honestly Auctionater will probably either have to add a lot of utility or they will die with this. TSM has so much funtionality that it will stay afloat but the casual player that just wanted to automatically undercut when selling his stuff used Auctionater and for that the new AH is more than enough

  39. I posted as a reply but i'll say here again because it can help others. My mail retrieval and AH scan/post, etc was reeeealy slow. Sometimes 5 secs to post each item.
    I had this problem with my AH toons, until last monday when i noticed there was one that was working fine… the difference was that this one was in IronForge because she wasn't an engineer while the others were in the Shrine of Seven Stars (my favorite AH spot). I've moved them to SW and all started to work really faster with mail and AH scan/post. I guess this is because that zone has a lot of players for being one of the end-content zones at the moment and the world server for that must be heavily populated.

  40. As many i was one that got a ton of missing gold today from auctions of whom gold was lost.
    As for the addons, I will continue to use TSM.
    1st and mainly blizz ah makes it impossible for me to cancel things… like i do something wrong with my post, go from one tab to the other, search down the alphabetical list and cancel… what?? omg… no search, not availability on the sell tab.
    2nd i got 200-300 auctions, to much to put one by one even if i break them to 2 different segments in the day
    3rd i can see on tsm a better list of all my auctions with the totals of them
    4th as you said, different crafter different auctioneer, i can make a list on tsm of the things i am missing and my crafter will make them, and maybe another alt can send the materials almost effortless

  41. I haven't bothered to change the price setting in TSM, I am assuming it is still doing an undercut. If so then people not changing this could account for some of the reason why the prices aren't increasing

  42. The attached gold part happened to me for two days in a row. I was sorta thinking I went insane, and as TSM accounting isnt working correctly right now. I had to constantly test it. Yesterday it worked and I received my gold, but before I lost all the coins.
    I'm also barely selling anything ? Mainly the stacked post never sell, anyone else have issues with it ? It seems so odd, my profit gain has gone down by a lot this patch :/

  43. The AH bug where I didn't get my gold really bugged me, but it was nice to see all that gold come in when they fixed it! I have a love hate relationship with it right now, but overall I like it. I don't like the battle pet posting for one.

  44. 2:50 Or a 3rd option: The AH is LIFO, except you can't buy your own auctions. Your test had 2 different characters. Hers did not.

  45. Well as of right now if I try to post things on my own (which I still do with non-transmog because TSM is still way over my head) the AH just eats my deposit and leaves the item in my bag. So without TSM I wouldn't be selling anything right now which kinda puts a bump in that whole getting a brutosaur thing.

  46. I'm not sure what anyone else's current experience is, but after TSM updated a few days ago I still continue to use it for posting. It isn't slow for me although I hear that it's slow for everyone else, but I think it's a lot more convenient to be able to do a full scan of my bags, and post everything in one go, instead of one-by-one on the regular AH

  47. Is it normal that when I post auctions with TSM it’s now 1 by 1? And not all of them in like 5sec like before? It takes me a looooots of time because of that…

  48. My favorites always disappear when there are no items listed in the AH for that item, so it's useless. I have to keep re doing them all the time, that makes no sense to me, unless it was a bug, but if intended, it's kinda dumb.

  49. You know permission for clipping someone's vod to be used in your monetized content is just a message away, right? Had to be told by someone else I showed up here. Thanks!

  50. Of course, still use tsm, there's too much historical and even current data that is useful to know that isn't told by the ah, and with tsm you can see that data without even going to the ah or sitting on your longboi.

  51. I don't see a bug. People with multiple accounts can forget (at least I do) that, for some reason ,Bliz does not allow you to buy your own auctions; I assume that did not change with 8.3. So if Bob has one up for 1g, and I post another for 1g, then if a third party were to buy it, they would get mine, LIFO. But if I try to buy it on the account that posted the item, it sells me Bob's as that is the last one that it is legal for me to buy.

  52. I can't imagine a world without [AH] addons. Automail alone would have me still use TSM. So no TSM was ever considered. OTOH, clearly I will be using the default AH more. On my mid pop server, on the default AH, going to tradegoods and pressing search is under a second. Going to TSM Shopping and entering /tradeskill is about a 1,000 pages, ten minutes. about 60,000% slower. But default AH does not show me %DBMarket so I am on my own as to good deal. So I end up doing all three: first default AH because it is so much faster, using shopping groups/operations, and /tradeskill. Tradeoffs.

  53. With the ever-present risk of seeming elitist and condescending, I would say the correct answer to "Should I still use AH addons?" is "no." I.e., if you are part of the group that would greatly benefit from AH addons, you probably won't ask the question and if you ask the question, you probably are not yet in the group who would benefit.

  54. It's because you cant bid on your own auction, so if you buy the item you listed on the same account it will buy from the next person, not yourself. Not a bug actually.

  55. The pet section is TERRIBLE!! You used to be able to filter the pets view to pets that are unowned, and ONLY unowned pets would be displayed. Now all the pets that are received in a cage rather than learnt then caged, are all displayed together. This makes for a highly annoying search through the listed pets for the ones you actually don't own.

  56. What I REALLY miss in current auction house interface are basically two things…

    1) A shortcut to post an auction, moving my mouse back and forth to click the item in the inventory and then on the create auction button is terrible. I even tried to add the button as custom to DialogKey addon, shortcut works, button plays the sound, item is removed from Sell interface, but auction is not created, most likely some s**t on Blizzard side preventing addons to mess with the button 🙁 but c'mon, at least a keyboard shortcut!!!

    2) Ability to mass cancel all auctions where I'm not a #1 seller (previously undercut check). Right now I'm not even trying because manually canceling all auctions would be too many clicks and mouse moves and I'm not willing to do that.

    Additional but not mandatory features for me would be last price seen on AH and calculation on item stack prices on item tooltip. Being able to see the price history is also nice.

    So I'm waiting for Auctionator to work again, it provides everything I need except for the shortcut 🙂

  57. First off – in testing, accurate results are obtained by testing the same thing. AKA how about you tested what she tested and not some completely different item. Second – the AH revamp dev replied to her tweet thanking for the report of this issue – how about you do your research completely. That dev replied btw 4 hours ago that its fixed. Your ways of obtaining numbers etc is scuffed as always im not shocked about that, but how about you ask senza if you can go into her vod and make a clip to use in your youtube video. You asked her about the vial of the sands video if you can use her content but on this one you dont? You know eachother, youre on roughly the same time zone so why not just send her a discord message. Im not even talking legal stuff im talking about respect for other people especially when their work makes you money. Where its good you linked her stream in the video description she should have a say in wether she wants to appear in your video or not – legally fair use is a jungle so i dont go into that – but on a person to person level when you even know eachother – she should have a choice especially when her content is making you money. And this is not about me and you disagreeing on other content of yours. Most ppl know since years what i think about content creators taking things from other content creators in the community without asking or even calling it their own. So maybe this one gets through to you on some level and if it doesnt – i made a twitter post asking ppl what they think about it to make sure my reaction isnt biased on the arguments me and you had. Youre more than welcome to go see what ppl replied to it. Recently many of us are really fed up with content creators putting out false information etc. – This here doesnt help.

  58. I didn't realize how much I depend on Auctionator for its shopping lists until I was sitting at the new AH without the addon going, "…what are the names of all the BFA mats, again?" And trying to remember all the various things I check the price on to buy underpriced auctions. Like how long would it take you to remember all the BFA fish names? LOL And then doing that with meat and cloth and ore and herbs and STUFF FROM OTHER EXPACS and I was like, "…I'll just check Osmenite and Aromatic Fish Oil and call it a day."

  59. Ok, so heres my 2 cents on AH.
    1st. It has always been LIFO. You cant purchase your own auctions from same toon you post.
    2nd. There has been a huge inflation of prices on my server. Tidespray is 50g per and I am selling seals atm for 400g.
    3rd. Final item on this list. TSM is still buggy as shit. Its lagged to hell. Taking me literally 1-2hours to post 1k xmog items. Doesnt matter where I am. Mail opens quicker than shit. But TSM is slow as molasses in January.

  60. "Favoriting" still doesn't work. I'd love to use it, but I am not going to set my favorites every time I log in. Maybe one day it will work and then we can enjoy it…

  61. I know you recommend a lot, but do you know of a similar website which has all the recent recipes? Kruithne does have anything from Nazjatar, Mechagon, or Nzoth.

  62. Hey, love your channel, been a great help! To add my answer about using auction add-ons , for me it’s two things. First is handling volume. I can post in a few minutes with TSM where it would take an hour or more using only the new auction house. Second is pricing. Having operations and groups that already know how I want to sell items saves so much time and so much mental work. I only have a couple hours a day to play WoW and it just wouldn’t be worth playing at all without add-ons allowing me to post and go.

  63. Addons for the AH are more needed now than ever. I just wish I could understand how to use TSM – I personally find getting into it very confusing (except for maybe learning pricing and easy retrieval of successful auctions). Can you recommend videos that are really good for explaining TSM?? I have a bank toon that I've been using to post hundreds of auctions several times weekly but with this new setup it just takes forever and I'm about to give up

  64. Overall the new AH looks fine. Fix some bugs(sometimes I can't post items and I don't understand why).
    I will still use TSM for posting but buying I will more and more use either Auctionator or ingame system.

    And regarding items.
    A guildie of mine has become a new Auction house guru. First he got a boe item with corruption. Sold it for 5.9million gold.
    Later: he bought a corrupted item for 650k. SImed it, and it wasn't worth it in his opinion so he resolled it. 1.9million gold.

  65. I think LIFO is what will ruin this system. if you post a bunch of items at a certain price, and someone comes by and posts a couple thousand of the item right behind you, you are screwed. Your item will need to be canceled or wait it out till you can post it again. What this procedure is trying to do, is to keep prices HIGH. Since you can match the current price and your item will be sold first. If its FIFO, then it would make much more sense. If you keep the same price, yours will sell after the one that was there first, or you can undercut like a normal economy.

  66. There are, too, "fun police". They're called Activision. Activision needs to sell Blizzard, at a discounted rate, BACK to the Blizzard people who actually know what fun is 😛

  67. Have played this game since 2005 non stop and part of my enjoyment was auctionhouseing…. I hate this new update so bad that I am going to quit playing the game.

  68. I just ran into you in game and chatted you up a bit on the game but I wanted to thank you for breathing life into this game for me through goldmaking guides. I used to raid and run endgame content before I started having some health problems. I ended up being diagnosed with PTSD/MDD/anxiety all of which led to me having panic attacks and breakdowns under any sort of stress, even in video games. I really couldn't play WoW like I had for years and years anymore and that with the state of BfA saw me quit the game for the first time in seven years.

    Now if there's one thing I am above everything else it's a mount collector. It's why I aimed for AoTC, did cutting edge, did challenge modes and mythic plus. The brutosaur's model was something I was in love with the moment I saw it and when I saw that 5m pricetag I went 'well there's another mount I can't get'. Then I saw your guides when I was poking around the new patch and got pulled into the channel and I saw that I had a good chance to get the mount and there was a way for me to enjoy WoW again. Sure I can't run current content raids and dungeons but I can farm and gather and craft and enjoy the older dungeons while making money.

    (Also my husband can stop fussing at me to play now too)

    Thank you again- thank you so so very much for these videos.

  69. Hi WTBGold, ty for all your advice I appreciate your hard work. I wanted to ask about price gouging, I know you frequently say do not tank the market on selling an item, sell for 1 copper less, but what should be do when someone is selling at 100k gold, and average market on TSM is 50k? ty

  70. Got Ah mount after 13 days into the new patch; I had 1 mill so made 4 mill in 12 days thank to buying like you say all the mats before patch omg I can’t believe how much gold you can make that simple way, of course I have all professions and had 400 expulsion on each mayor profession, and I was glue to Ah checking for undercuts and reposting, reposting,reposting never ending shit but got it down, now I’m playing the game again 😂, well anyways ty for your tips, I hate farming no idea why but I hate it, but I had so much raw mats the I didn’t need to farm for shit, first time I buy thousands of raw mats before a patch I was kind scare but it pay off big time, I run out of mats by day 10 😂, I was going to farm for stuff but I was like fuck it I’ll just buy some over price mats and still work 😂. Still making lots of gold not as much as when I was glue to the AH but enough. Anyways tyvm dude 👍👍👍

  71. AH buying great 👍🏻. Selling, confused as all hell. No idea how it works now, and why no under cutting. Need a auction house for dummies or 101 video

  72. What's the best way to reach WTBgold
    I've been using a trick on the auction house to make quite a bit of money I think he should make a video on
    8.3 is last in last out and you can check if you are last out
    In the wow interface you can click on my auctions then click on one of your auction on the left side and it will bring up all the auctions for that item and who is selling them the higher up on the list is the latest poster so if you aren't first Repost

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